Mining Questions

[Hawk Pryde]

"Want to make sure I understand this correctly.

There are 3 "types of mining.

Mining - mining where ore is transfered into your
mining ship's cargo hold

Jetcan Mining - mining where ore is transfered into an
external Jetcan & ANY ship can transfer ore from the
Jetcan to its cargo hold

Secure can mining - same as Jetcan Mining except that
only YOUR ships can transfer ore from the Jetcan to
its cargo hold

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Ships mine ore at 3 times their Mining Yield per turn.
While my Reaper M are able to mine 180 (3x60) units
of ore, they are only able to transport 120 units of
ore due to their cargo capacity. So basically I they
are able to mine at ONLY 66.667% (120/180) effeciency
each turn using basic mining.

Can I use Jetcan Mining & my Reaper C to get 100%
efficiency? My two Reaper M mine 180 (3x60) each =
360 total with 120 transported by each (240 total) +
120 (transfered to/from Jetcans) transported by the
Reaper C. Better yet can my Reaper C Escort my Reaper
M (& Jetcans) in the process? IF so how do I order
this in the Beta game?

IF not, then it seems to me as though one would be
better in the long run to not waste any ISK on any
more Reaper M & purchase Burst M instead. While
Burst M cost to purchase, they mine at a MUCH better
93.75% (225/240) & therefor are undoubtably going to
pay for themselves through higher/more efficient
mining."

[Hawk Pryde]

Jetcan mining can be done by any ship and you would get 100% efficiency per turn in the jetcan. You can use your C ship to transport the ore back to the station. I will have to make a mission for Transport. If a ship is only transporting then it can take two trips to the station. You can order your Reaper C to Escort and it will attack any ship that takes from your can.

Even with this I set up those Mining Frigates that cost ISK to be more efficient in their mining. Otherwise why buy them

[pfcem]

This question came from me via e-mail.

What I am/was referring to in mining effeciency is the amount of ore you are able to get back to the station vs how much you are able to mine. For the Minmatar, each Reaper M is able to mine 180 (3x60) units of ore each turn but its cargo capacity is only 120. So each Reaper M is capable of mining 60 units of ore more than it can transport back to the station - thus a "mining effeciency" of just 66.667% (120/180).

If I mine with the two Reaper M I start with, I am essentially "losing" 120 units of ore each turn because they are only able to transport 240 units of ore despite being able to mine 360 units of ore (not very efficient mining if you ask me). But wait...I have a Reaper C which although it can not mine (no yield), it can transport just as much ore as a Reaper M & it just so happens that its 120 cargo capacity is exactly what I need to transport the "excess" ore I am able to mine but not transport with my two Reaper M.

My thought was that I would have to use Jetcan Mining to transfer mined ore from my Reaper M to a Jetcan & then from the Jetcan to my Reaper C. But Jetcan Mining isn't "safe". What is to stop someone else from taking the ore from my Jetcan? Obviously I would "need" my Reaper C to Escort.

Can my Reaper C Escort & transfer ore from a Jetcan at the same time (if so, how do I issue such orders)? Can I instead order my Reaper C to mine & will that allow me to transfer mined ore from my two Reaper M to my Reaper C directly without the need for a Jetcan (I am thinking no)?

And the question holds for larger ships as well. Every ship that is capable of mining is capable of mining more ore than it can transport. And in the Beta game you (at present) are not able to obtain hull upgrades to increase your ships' cargo capacity.

[Hawk Pryde]

Ok to answer your question yes your Reaper C can do both to a point. It can't protect the can while its at the station dropping off ore. I will have to find a way of dividing the movement turns into segments so we can determine wether your Reaper C was present during the hypothetical theft or not. For simplicity's sake in the beta let's limit the number of commands to one and assume that the thief will wait till the Transport has left before stealing ore.

On the matter of Cargo Expanders to increase one's Cargo capacity i will add them as a special in the Market in Turn 3.

[pfcem]

If I were doing it in "real time", I would have one of my Reaper Ms fill its cargo hold while the other filled a Jetcan & the Reaper C "simultaneously" grabbed it from the Jetcan (this is where I am not so sure but I think the Reaper C SHOULD still be able to Escort while it is filling its cargo hold from the Jetcan). The two Reaper Ms would switch back-&-forth between filling their own cargo hold & the Jetcan throughout the mining process (turn) such that all three ships (two Reaper Ms & one Reaper C) would all have ABOUT the same amount of ore in their respective cargo holds. Finally, with all three ships full of ore, they would all transport the ore back to the station together.

OR a simpler way would be for one Reaper M to load its 1st 60 units of ore into the Jetscan (with the Reaper C "simultaneously" grabbing it) & its last 120 units of ore into its own cargo hold with the other Reaper M loading its 1st 120 units of ore into its own cargo hold & its last 60 units of ore into the Jetscan (with the Reaper C "simultaneously" grabbing it).

The Reaper Ms would mine their 180 units of ore with 120 units (each) filling their own cargo holds & 60 units (each) going to the Jetcan which the Reaper C would "simultaneously" grab.

The "problem" is issuing orders for a turn-based system to accomplish that.

[bjorn2in]

How do I issue the order to load ore onto a ship from a jetcan?

[Hawk Pryde]

I Under Movement i will have to include Haul orders.